I am very pleased with my pair of over the calf black socks. They are neither too thin nor too thick for all-day wear whether you are walking around a lot or a little. Although my shoe-size is US 8, I ordered this pair of socks in the "13-16" size. Before they were washed, the socks fit my feet and my calves very well without any bagginess or looseness. They extended right up to just below my knees, which I like, but which might be too high for some people. After washing them, I am pleased to report that they have not noticeably shrunk, and have retained their shape and texture. I also purchased a sock laundry-bag from Boardroom Socks, which seems to be well-made, and in which I now wash my socks.